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Post by knaveljm on Nov 5, 2008 15:53:45 GMT -5
To me, a lot of these "what a great day" articles come across in this fashion: "See, us white people aren't racist and now all is forgotten and forgiven from the past because we elected Obama president."
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Post by Loucks on Nov 5, 2008 16:08:01 GMT -5
I've listened to a lot of Boyd's sermons and read a few of his books. I can assure you he's not that trite.
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Post by knaveljm on Nov 5, 2008 16:18:27 GMT -5
I'm just telling you how it sounds to me. That may not be the case, but I think it's completely trivial to disregard the past and to sweep everything under the rug simply because Obama is now president, OR to believe that hate groups in America have suddenly become somehow irrelevant. I'm very much afraid that a hate group could become very relevant by trying to "fix" what happened yesterday.
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Post by Loucks on Nov 5, 2008 16:33:03 GMT -5
In your fear, don't miss that the moment did happen. It's in that moment that many of us celebrate. I understand your caution, though.
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Post by tamrik on Nov 5, 2008 17:17:38 GMT -5
I don't think he will do anything stupid--if Bush, etc negotiate a 2011 date, he'll stick to it. Now the tax break for people making under 250,000, or 200,000---150,000, whatever; that's another matter. There won't be a tax cut. Obama wants Bush to negotiate a timeline before he leaves office - then he is off the hook for bringing the troops home sooner.
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Post by tamrik on Nov 5, 2008 17:34:09 GMT -5
I find it interesting that the same Democrats who were vehemently attacking everything that Bush and the republicans did, the people who wished out loud that Bush would be assassinated or impeached, the same people who called him names that i can't repeat - are now expecting conservatives to 'join them' in fixing all the country's problems.
(*Note - I am not referring to people on this board. At this site I have seen mostly respectful disagreement.)
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Post by Formerbruin on Nov 5, 2008 17:34:30 GMT -5
Last night we hosted a pizza and election results party for over 150 Bethel students. It was an energizing event. Afterwords I spent about 90 minutes (we finished just before 2 am) talking with several African-American students about the significance of the election of Obama. They wanted to know what I thought. I think I surprised them a bit by showing an equal interest in their views. It was a far-ranging and candid discussion. I won't attempt to summarize what was said since there was an implied agreement that it was "off the record." I will say that I came away with some measured optimism about the potential appeal of the Republican Party in the years ahead.
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Post by Formerbruin on Nov 5, 2008 18:05:05 GMT -5
Just opened an email I got from Barack Obama last night. I felt compelled to share it with you.
I'm about to head to Grant Park to talk to everyone gathered there, but I wanted to write to you first. We just made history.
And I don't want you to forget how we did it.
You made history every single day during this campaign -- every day you knocked on doors, made a donation, or talked to your family, friends, and neighbors about why you believe it's time for change.
I want to thank all of you who gave your time, talent, and passion to this campaign.
We have a lot of work to do to get our country back on track, and I'll be in touch soon about what comes next.
But I want to be very clear about one thing...
All of this happened because of you.
Thank you,
Barack
Perhaps, just perhaps, this was a personal message. I do appreciate his (or his ghostwriter's) use of the second-person pronoun. Looks like some interesting plans are in the works.
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Post by huisrealgood on Nov 5, 2008 18:15:18 GMT -5
Campus was nuts here at the University of Illinois. I was taking my girlfriend home and Green Street (the main street on campus) was shut down for 2 blocks as students cheered and ran through the streets. People were honking their horns, screaming, and chanting. You could definitely see the excitement that many were feeling.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Nov 5, 2008 18:44:26 GMT -5
Lemmings feel excitement to, just before they run off the cliff.
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Post by huisrealgood on Nov 5, 2008 19:30:13 GMT -5
Lemmings feel excitement to, just before they run off the cliff. I thought we were talking about the election, not you crimson and creaming your pants over Crean's Hoosiers.
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Post by tamrik on Nov 5, 2008 19:35:55 GMT -5
Where was the celebration when Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court?
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Post by Loucks on Nov 5, 2008 19:43:59 GMT -5
Where was the celebration when Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court? Thomas wasn't the first black Supreme Court Justice. Thurgood Marshall was. He's celebrated for his achievement. But, many would argue that, while being an appointed Supreme Court Justice is a good thing and historic in its own right, it is not on the same level as being elected the POTUS.
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Post by cowboy on Nov 5, 2008 20:13:04 GMT -5
To me, a lot of these "what a great day" articles come across in this fashion: "See, us white people aren't racist and now all is forgotten and forgiven from the past because we elected Obama president." agree, lots of white guilt which also leads to a bunch of failed gov't programs that merely reinforce the helplessness that many poor feel
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Post by Kyle Feller on Nov 5, 2008 20:34:05 GMT -5
If it wasn't already hard enough to live in NYC on a minimum of $50,000 a year.......now there is a proposed Income Tax Hike of 15%!
You're killing me Mike....absolutely killing me.
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