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Post by Loucks on Nov 5, 2008 8:30:09 GMT -5
I agree QC. It's all rhetoric until words become actions. I'd really like Obama to be inclusive in his administration but also know that the mantra of inclusivism is a great campaign tactic rarely employed after elected.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Nov 5, 2008 8:35:01 GMT -5
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Post by dynomite on Nov 5, 2008 8:38:26 GMT -5
rub....i hear what you're saying the people spoke and spoke LOUDLY. barack won and he will be the president, can you at least admit that it is hypocritical to rip bush ALL THE TIME when he was elected 2 times by a majority of the people.
this is why most people don't like politics, it's the same thing every four years. the group that wins says "band together" the group that loses starts a 4 year attack on the one who wins.
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Post by L-Train on Nov 5, 2008 8:38:34 GMT -5
I agree QC. It's all rhetoric until words become actions. I'd really like Obama to be inclusive in his administration but also know that the mantra of inclusivism is a great campaign tactic rarely employed after elected. This is the guy he's eyeing for his Chief of Staff. His "F--- the Republicans" quote doesn't give me the impression there will be much inclusion. www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-0611120215nov12,0,2221283.story
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Post by Loucks on Nov 5, 2008 8:48:24 GMT -5
this is why most people don't like politics, it's the same thing every four years. the group that wins says "band together" the group that loses starts a 4 year attack on the one who wins. You're right, Dynomite. After Clinton got re-elected in 1996 (it was the first election I was politically 'aware'), I remember much of the same stuff being brought against him that is being brought against Obama. Democrats, when Bush was elected, acted as if he was going to take away every civil liberty known to man (he didn't, but I'm still not a fan of the Patriot Act). I don't get caught up in the mass hysterics either way because we'll see the same thing again in four more years.
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Post by L-Train on Nov 5, 2008 8:50:29 GMT -5
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Post by Loucks on Nov 5, 2008 9:01:05 GMT -5
My hope is that Obama will put Chuck Hagel or Dick Lugar on his cabinet or as one of his advisers.
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Post by Loucks on Nov 5, 2008 9:10:11 GMT -5
For those afraid of Obama's Israel policy, I would think a guy named Rahm Emanuel would be good news.
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Post by cowboy on Nov 5, 2008 9:11:06 GMT -5
but we know Pelosi and Reed will be inclusive and nonpartisan even if Obama is not
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Post by Loucks on Nov 5, 2008 9:13:55 GMT -5
Ron Paul got 2.2 percent of the vote in Montana without even campaigning. He was put on the ballot by a third party but without his endorsement. The two other third party candidates didn't get as much support. I think it shows how much celebrity Ron Paul gained in this election cycle. He also won reelection to Congress (he was unopposed).
Ron Paul: 2.2% (9,932 votes) Ralph Nader: 0.8% (3,499 votes) Bob Barr: 0.3% (1,274 votes)
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Post by Kyle Feller on Nov 5, 2008 10:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by L-Train on Nov 5, 2008 11:20:04 GMT -5
If I had the time, and/or the energy, I would like to create a mock drudgereport page to show what the headlines would have been if McCain had won.
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Post by rubalamp on Nov 5, 2008 11:59:50 GMT -5
Yes, I can see how the reasonable discussions have gone.
ha ha
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Post by foresterfan on Nov 5, 2008 12:09:37 GMT -5
The hate I keep reading and seeing from Christians right now is just sickening! Not on this board, per se, but elsewhere ... I can't believe it.
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Post by Formerbruin on Nov 5, 2008 12:29:51 GMT -5
The hate I keep reading and seeing from Christians right now is just sickening! Not on this board, per se, but elsewhere ... I can't believe it. Don't be so hard on Rub. A long quote from a Times (of London) column in Obama and religion: Conservative commentator Albert Mohler . . . admits to disappointment on one level but adds: 'Every American should be moved by the sight of young African-Americans who -- for the first time -- now believe that they have a purchase in American democracy. Old men and old women, grandsons and granddaughters of slaves and slaveholders, will look to an African-American as President. Regardless of politics, could anyone remain unmoved by the sight of Jesse Jackson crying alone amidst the crowd in Chicago? This dimension of Election Day transcends politics and touches the heart of the American people.' He goes on: 'At the same time, we must be honest and recognize that the political maps are being redrawn before our eyes. Will the Republican Party decide that conservative Christians are just too troublesome for the party and see the pro-life movement as a liability? There is the real danger that the Republicans, stung by this defeat, will adopt a libertarian approach to divisive moral issues and show conservative Christians the door. 'Others will declare these struggles over, arguing that the election of Sen. Obama means that Americans in general -- and many younger Evangelicals in particular -- are ready to "move on" to other issues. This is no time for surrender or the abandonment of our core principles. We face a much harder struggle ahead, but we have no right to abandon the struggle.' [emphasis added] And interestingly, he raises the concept of duty: 'Evangelical Christians face another challenge with the election of Sen Obama, and a failure to rise to this challenge will bring disrepute upon the Gospel, as well as upon ourselves. There must be absolutely no denial of the legitimacy of President-Elect Obama's election and no failure to accord this new President the respect and honour due to anyone elected to that high office. Failure in this responsibility is disobedience to a clear biblical command.' [emphasis added]
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