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Post by incognitoman on Feb 24, 2010 22:28:59 GMT -5
His supporting cast put up 65 points.
The other guy's supporting cast put up 63 points.
I think this whole teammates thing is getting a little carried away.
One guy carried his team to a victory without picking up a foul. The other guy lost while fouling out.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Feb 24, 2010 22:38:12 GMT -5
incognitoman,
You and four of your buddies could put up 65 points on USF's defense. (I kid of course).
Its simply hard to argue against the career of Errick McCollum. He did just about everything you can ask a basketball player to do, and he did it very well. Unfortunately he isn't a golfer or a tennis player, he couldn't do it all on his own.
You can't honestly say that you would trade IWU's supporting cast for Goshen's? Zach had an outstanding year and will be an All-American, but at the end of the day, McCollum is the MCC Player of the Year, voted upon by the coaches, and they agreed that McCollums numbers simply could not be overlooked.
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Post by incognitoman on Feb 24, 2010 22:51:19 GMT -5
incognitoman, You and four of your buddies could put up 65 points on USF's defense. (I kid of course). Why kid? I would've believed you! ( I do have a friend that was on an NBA roster and plays overseas, not to mention a few other friends who's played college ball who I'm sure wouldn't mind playing some more) Its simply hard to argue against the career of Errick McCollum. He did just about everything you can ask a basketball player to do, and he did it very well. Unfortunately he isn't a golfer or a tennis player, he couldn't do it all on his own. But it is called a Player of the YEAR award, not a player of a career. You can't honestly say that you would trade IWU's supporting cast for Goshen's? I prefer teams that play defense and don't foul every time they are in trouble, but that's just me. Zach had an outstanding year and will be an All-American, but at the end of the day, McCollum is the MCC Player of the Year, voted upon by the coaches, and they agreed that McCollums numbers simply could not be overlooked. I'm not so sure you could use the word "agreed" there. I wish the MCC would make the results public, as I wouldn't be surprised to see it very, very close (I don't need to know who voted for whom, just how many points each player received). In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if one coach voted a certain player 6th. Oh sorry, wrong year and wrong teams/players!
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Feb 25, 2010 11:49:46 GMT -5
Take out the word career with McCollum. Wouldn't you say that he has done everything a basketball player is asked to do and done it very well, this season??? Also, you can argue that the coaches didn't "agree" but in terms of the collective vote they did, otherwise it would have been a different result. Believe me, if I'm drafting a MCC team, I would pick Coverstone over McCollum, mainly because I prefer dominant post-players, but McCollum might be my second pick if he were still availalbe come second round.
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Post by incognitoman on Feb 25, 2010 12:41:46 GMT -5
Take out the word career with McCollum. Wouldn't you say that he has done everything a basketball player is asked to do and done it very well, this season??? I've never said anything otherwise. However, if this is what it comes down to, does that mean Coverstone and/or Lightfoot does not mean this qualification? Also, you can argue that the coaches didn't "agree" but in terms of the collective vote they did, otherwise it would have been a different result. Maybe it's just technicalities, but I probably wouldn't argue with "majority" of coaches agree... Believe me, if I'm drafting a MCC team, I would pick Coverstone over McCollum, mainly because I prefer dominant post-players, but McCollum might be my second pick if he were still availalbe come second round. Can you imagine Coverstone and McCollum on the same team? (however, would that be much different than Coverstone and Murrell on the same team or Lightfoot and Walker on the same team?)
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Feb 25, 2010 14:02:39 GMT -5
Very good points.
I would say that McCollum is the superior steals guy while Coverstone is more of presence as a shot blocker, obviously those stats being more based on their positions and size than anything else. What it came down to for me in this argument was how McCollum seperated himself in the scoring race, how he led his team in just about every category, and how I truly believe Goshen would have been 9th in the Conference without him.
Without Coverstone the Wildcats probably would have been middle of the pack MCC team and the same with the Pilots without Lightfoot but they certainly would have had enough firepower to stay out of the basement. Goshen would not have in my opinion.
Its an interesting thing to think about. Drafting a team I mean.
Of those you mentioned I would take Walker and McCollum just to see what those two could do together. That's one heck of a starting five though. Coverstone, Walker, McCollum, Lightfoot, and Murrell.
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Post by incognitoman on Feb 25, 2010 14:15:48 GMT -5
But think about that. Goshen is 5th in conference with McCollum. Without McCollum, they are 9th. They lose 4 places.
IWU and Bethel are 1st and 2nd with Coverstone and Lightfoot, respectively. Without Coverstone and Lightfoot, they are middle of the pack, i.e. 4th or 5th place teams. So, those teams lose 3-4 places.
That difference isn't so drastic anymore, is it?
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Feb 25, 2010 14:39:37 GMT -5
It is when you consider that the MCC has only nine teams which would make Goshen dead last. If Goshen had 20 teams then Goshen would be 20th. I'm joking obviously, but my point is that Goshen goes from the upper half of the Conference and beating some good teams to a non-factor where as IWU and Bethel would still be contenders just not likely to be at the very top.
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Post by blue2blue on Feb 25, 2010 16:04:52 GMT -5
They are such different types, it is hard for me to compare. Coverstone is great in the post, scoring and rebounding plus defense. A good team needs that kind of guy.
EM is a scorer. He can drive inside or pull up. He rebounds and steals as well.
One advantage for EM is that he can handle the ball from baseline to baseline and at any point can create his own shot. Coverstone is more dependent for someone to feed him for his shot.
I tried to imagine if they had played for the opposite teams, Coverstone @ Goshen and EM @ IWU. I can't see Coverstone being as efficient because of his surrounding cast. I doubt that EM would have been nearly the scorer at IWU but his floor game would have still been there. He would have fit nicely I'm sure. At any rate, IWU would still have won and Goshen would be no better than they have been, perhaps a bit lower. IMO
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