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Post by Loucks on May 8, 2008 15:18:10 GMT -5
Will it help me understand leftist elitism better? I just want to interject that John Howard Yoder is certainly not a leftist elitist. Yoder is one of my favorite biblical scholars and ethicists. He was, from what I can tell, an incredible man of faith and loved Jesus for deeply.
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Post by Formerbruin on May 8, 2008 15:27:25 GMT -5
My wife and I lived with JHY and his wife Annie for three years.
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Post by Loucks on May 8, 2008 15:37:38 GMT -5
My wife and I lived with JHY and his wife Annie for three years. Really? That's very cool. I knew you were cool, formerbruin. I just didn't realize to what level of coolness you have achieved.
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Post by foresterfriend on May 8, 2008 15:51:18 GMT -5
Will it help me understand leftist elitism better? I just want to interject that John Howard Yoder is certainly not a leftist elitist. Yoder is one of my favorite biblical scholars and ethicists. He was, from what I can tell, an incredible man of faith and loved Jesus for deeply. I am not jabbing John Yoder...I will try to read this book in the near future. I was responding to the O'Reilly and Limbaugh jab. In no way did I mean to comment on Yoder. I hope he has pictures in the book.
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Post by rubalamp on May 8, 2008 15:56:48 GMT -5
I certainly am not a leftist elitist...think what you want...
Yoder is fantastic. Politics of Jesus is a phenomenal book, shaped much of my thinking on politics.
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Post by ace on May 8, 2008 17:36:03 GMT -5
Rub..........why can't you just answer the question? What would you do in that situation?
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Post by rubalamp on May 8, 2008 18:02:22 GMT -5
I would read the book...
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Post by ace on May 8, 2008 19:29:36 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't. Not all of us have time to read books. I just don't understand why you can't answer a question that was addressed to you instead of pushing it off to a book.
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Post by huntington fan on May 8, 2008 19:29:57 GMT -5
I have to say that's a bit of a copout - you could still give a synopsis and tell people to read the book for a fuller explanation. To foresterfriend: I would shoot 'im if I thought he was an imminent death threat to my family members or others, for that matter, and there wasn't time to wait for the legal authorities to get there and handle it. As for the whole idea of the "politics of Jesus", that makes me uncomfortable whether it's the pacifists or James Dobson speaking. In the New Testament when people tried to put Jesus in a political box, he turned the tables on them and refused to play that game. He did it with his supporters and he did it with those who were trying to kill him. I think it's a big mistake for Christians of any particular political viewpoint to try to claim moral superiority for their position by claiming that it would be the position Jesus would take. That's a dangerous form of special pleading that does damage to the gospel, in my view.
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Post by cowboy on May 8, 2008 19:37:53 GMT -5
My wife and I lived with JHY and his wife Annie for three years. Really? That's very cool. I knew you were cool, formerbruin. I just didn't realize to what level of coolness you have achieved. He's really not that cool--but he knows interesting people.
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Post by cowboy on May 8, 2008 19:44:02 GMT -5
Well, as long as you want to protect the financial interests of your friends in oil and defense, you are probably qualified...Soldiers who have been there have told me to my face we are only putting a band aid on the problem, keeping a civil war from happening...that is going to have to happen. The old blood for oil schtick is tiired--I hear from soldiers and any news other than the liberal media that the soldiers have a sense of mission and have accomplished great things for the people of the Middle East.
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Post by rubalamp on May 8, 2008 21:25:14 GMT -5
I don't answer the question, because honestly it is a bs question.
You tell me if you know anyone who knows anyone who has been in that very situation...
If you don't care to read a short book, that shows me how much interest you have in the question.
Also, Politics of Jesus is not a "mennonite" book of politics. I think you would find that he comes to the exact same conclusion you do. It is a broader definition of the sham of "Christian politics" that Dobson shoves down peoples throats.
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Post by cowboy on May 9, 2008 5:39:45 GMT -5
I don't fault the one (according to you, Dobson) who shoves Christian politics down anyone's throat, but the ones who accept someone's interpretation of what Christian politics is without thought and education. I, you, we are responsible to know and think and make wise decisions.
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Post by foresterfriend on May 9, 2008 7:41:31 GMT -5
Well, I am sure no one has ever been in that position or ever will be. I will work to ask non bs questions.
Could I ask this one: How does a Christian in the military defend himself and possibly kill another soldier trying to kill him?(What does he do in this situation) I think this one has happened.
I really am not meaning to jab too hard, I am just interested in anyone's thoughts on this.
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Post by rubalamp on May 9, 2008 8:05:58 GMT -5
Sounds like a tough question. Seems to make it hard for a Christian to be in the military...
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