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Post by formerlancer on Jun 23, 2008 22:05:53 GMT -5
I scratch my head on this one too. As a former player for Grace (and pretty recently, I might add), how can you possibly have the gall to say that? For one to claim that a player shouldn't go to Bethel because they work harder than anybody else, you would have to think that Bethel would have to work head-and-shoulders above the rest of the MCC for that to be a viable recruiting tool, and I know from personal experience how much hard work gets put in at Grace during the summer, during conditioning, and throughout the season, and there is no way that any knowledgeable person should claim this.
To claim that Bethel works the hardest in the MCC is asinine. You would have to have knowledge of every one of the practices that each team has. I do not doubt that Bethel works hard, you have to work hard to be any good in the league. I doubt that many knowledgeable people around the MCC would say that too, there would be absolutely no way to prove it one way or the other (kinda like a conspiracy theory).
If I had a guess, I would say that if any team "worked harder" than anybody else in the league, the "extra work" would be quite negligible. Although if you don't put in the work to begin with, that will be quite evident to all who watch.
I would also like to know where this whole, Lightfoot works his kids the hardest comes from? I've never heard it before (although I haven't been around the MCC for that long) Just from a style point of view, I would think that Patterson works his kids pretty hard, I can see Platt working his kids hard, I know Coach K does, and I'm fairly certain the other coaches do it too. Again, I'm sure Lightfoot works his kids hard, but no way does he work his kids harder than any of the other coaches around the league.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Jun 24, 2008 5:43:11 GMT -5
How do you know that Coach Lightfoot doesn't work his players harder than any other coaches in the MCC?
That's asinine, unless of course you're familiar with every coaches practice routine and have been involved in all of them. I think it's just as dumb to say that "no way does he work his kids harder than any other coaches" as it is to say that "he works his kids harder than anybody else."
Note: I'm not in any way saying that Coach Lightfoot does or doesn't work his players the hardest. I'm just saying that you can't bash a guy for saying Lightfoot works his hardest by claiming that you know Lightfoot doesn't work his players the hardest.
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Post by QuietCop on Jun 24, 2008 6:39:15 GMT -5
Lightfoot is the best, most hard working coach in the world! Next topic please!
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Post by rubalamp on Jun 24, 2008 7:08:58 GMT -5
Feller, that argument is dumber than Cowboys...and that is saying something.
I would be interested to know how one even measures the "hardness" that a coach works his players...I mean what do you do with guys like Dave Porter, Adam Hill, and Gabe LaGrange who were just absolutely determined to get better, bigger, faster, etc. Do you credit that to the player or the coach?
This really may be one of the dumbest discussions ever on here. It is completely impossible to "prove" this and it is absolutely a stupid thing to say. Unnecessarily being critical of all other coaches and teams for no purpose.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Jun 24, 2008 7:12:18 GMT -5
So let me get this straight......old wise one.
Cowboy says that Coach Lightfoot works his players harder than anybody else in the conference and he get's lambasted for it....because there is no way that he could possibly know that. He isn't involved with all programs and hasn't watched all teams practice.
So someone says that "there is NO WAY that Coach Lightfoot works his players the hardest." So he get's a pass because for some reason he is the local expert and watches every team practice and knows exactly what happens throughout the MCC during practices.....I think that's as dumb as the first argument.
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Post by foresterfan on Jun 24, 2008 8:38:24 GMT -5
My question was how does he know that? And, the answer "everyone around the MCC knows it" doesn't really cut it for me, because I don't believe that to be true.
You know what, Lightfoot may work his players the hardest, but to state it as an undisputed fact is what is asinine. That fact basically can't be proven, so yes, saying "there is NO WAY" he doesn't would also be fallible statement, but I don't think anyone said he doesn't work them hard, just that it is ridiculous to say that, in fact, he does, without a doubt.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Jun 24, 2008 10:22:45 GMT -5
I agree.......I think the entire argument is borderline tred.......get my point?
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Post by rubalamp on Jun 24, 2008 10:34:39 GMT -5
Feller,
I knew what you were doing...why it was dumber than the first is because it was already clearly proven to be a stupid argument...so to take it to the next level just sounded more ridiculous to me.
I figured you would mention who has gotten the most talent or has gotten the most out of the talent they have, yada yada yada, which at least is a basis for getting at the differences of success if work ethic doesn't determine everything.
Maybe we should have the trainers have this discussion and give reports on which coach gets his players to throw up the most during conditioning. Is that proof of working the hardest?
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Post by dynomite on Jun 24, 2008 11:44:28 GMT -5
actually feller you are wrong, the argument started with do other coaches tell recruits that bethel works their players harder than anyone else.
no one on the rational side of this argument (not cowboy) ever claimed that he did or didn't work them harder. the point was no other coach would say that bethel works harder than everyone else.
i can't believe i wasted time and brain cells writing this.
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Post by rubalamp on Jun 24, 2008 12:08:29 GMT -5
I can't believe I am not at negative 200 yet...funny Feller is positive all the sudden...Karma really is a B word!
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Post by cowboy on Jun 24, 2008 20:16:19 GMT -5
I scratch my head on this one too. As a former player for Grace (and pretty recently, I might add), how can you possibly have the gall to say that? For one to claim that a player shouldn't go to Bethel because they work harder than anybody else, you would have to think that Bethel would have to work head-and-shoulders above the rest of the MCC for that to be a viable recruiting tool, and I know from personal experience how much hard work gets put in at Grace during the summer, during conditioning, and throughout the season, and there is no way that any knowledgeable person should claim this. To claim that Bethel works the hardest in the MCC is asinine. You would have to have knowledge of every one of the practices that each team has. I do not doubt that Bethel works hard, you have to work hard to be any good in the league. I doubt that many knowledgeable people around the MCC would say that too, there would be absolutely no way to prove it one way or the other (kinda like a conspiracy theory). If I had a guess, I would say that if any team "worked harder" than anybody else in the league, the "extra work" would be quite negligible. Although if you don't put in the work to begin with, that will be quite evident to all who watch. I would also like to know where this whole, Lightfoot works his kids the hardest comes from? I've never heard it before (although I haven't been around the MCC for that long) Just from a style point of view, I would think that Patterson works his kids pretty hard, I can see Platt working his kids hard, I know Coach K does, and I'm fairly certain the other coaches do it too. Again, I'm sure Lightfoot works his kids hard, but no way does he work his kids harder than any of the other coaches around the league. 1. The kid said it and I've heard it before 2. The "BC works harder" deal has come from a few ex-players of Bethel who went elsewhere 3. "no way he works them harder"--sure there's a way 4. Nobody has to prove anything--a kid told me what another school told him about Bethel and his school
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Post by tamrik on Jun 24, 2008 21:36:12 GMT -5
I can't wait for November.
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Post by cuphan on Jun 24, 2008 21:52:47 GMT -5
Okay...I just read this latest thread, and I feel my IQ dropped about 50 points. Again, I contend that for SOME (NOT ALL!!) of the Bethel followers on this site, there is a very strong, not very far below the surface, intensely ignorant bias in favor of the Pilots' program. This means that there can be, from time to time, temporary, seemingly genuine and civil discussion, debate...you name it. But the fact is, there is a quasi-invisible "Bethel blue" line, and when you cross it...well, let's just say you hear about it in no uncertain terms.
So, to be brief, I'm outta here.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Jun 24, 2008 21:55:17 GMT -5
Cowboy,
I'm fine with your comments if you are soley in it to try and get others riled up because you've obviously done that but do you honestly believe what you say? How can you state that you believe Bethel and the BC coaching staff work their players harder than everyone in the MCC without witnessing those programs on a regular basis? I realize some players from Bethel have transferred to other MCC schools but I know that Bethel players haven't transfered to every school in the MCC and you haven't spoken with all of them most likely I would guess...
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Jun 24, 2008 21:59:32 GMT -5
Also, it appears that CUFan has left bethelhoops for "good".... 10 bucks says he posts again on here or at least still looks at this website just as often as he always has...
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