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Post by The Pilot on Feb 23, 2014 17:40:19 GMT -5
The 2013-2014 All-Crossroads Teams are as follows:
First Team Jordan Weidner - Indiana Wesleyan (Player of the Year) Shane Merryman - Huntington University Aaron Evans - Marian University Scott Kohne - University of Saint Francis RJ Mahurin - Indiana Wesleyan
Second Team Rob Hogans - Spring Arbor University Ryan Benner - Bethel College Austin Fox - University of Saint Francis Greg Miller - Grace College Zach Miller - Bethel College
Third Team Derek Hinen - Huntington University Matt Schauss - Bethel College Nick Achille - Marian University Josh Hogan - University of Saint Francis Kyle Stidom - Taylor University
All-Defensive Team Zac Vandewater - Indiana Wesleyan Greg Miller - Grace College Rob Hogans - Spring Arbor University Jason Riley - Marian University Patrick Oetting - Bethel College
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Post by cougars13 on Feb 23, 2014 20:43:47 GMT -5
Having seen every team play this year besides Goshen, Hogans was definitely the most impressive player I saw. Now, I can definitely understand him not being POY, but being left off the first team I don't agree with. The best player in the league was on a team with no one else and that is why SAU finished so low.
Nothing against Weidner either. He has had a wonderful career, and he was the best player on the best team, which more times than not, wins you the MVP type awards these days.
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Post by incognitoman on Feb 23, 2014 20:53:51 GMT -5
Coach of the Year went to Greg Tonagel
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Post by The Pilot on Feb 24, 2014 7:35:26 GMT -5
Having seen every team play this year besides Goshen, Hogans was definitely the most impressive player I saw. Now, I can definitely understand him not being POY, but being left off the first team I don't agree with. The best player in the league was on a team with no one else and that is why SAU finished so low. Nothing against Weidner either. He has had a wonderful career, and he was the best player on the best team, which more times than not, wins you the MVP type awards these days. Couldn't agree more. Hogans is definitely the best player in conference. And if you are going to use the argument of him being on a lower tiered CL team, then see Errick McCollum '09-'10. Goshen was 18-13 and 9-7 in conference play.
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Post by Axman on Feb 24, 2014 8:18:33 GMT -5
Not arguing whether he deserved 1st team or not, but who do you replace if he is 1st team?
Goshen won 56% of their games McCollum's senior year. Without him where would they have been? SAU won 33% of their games this year. Without Hogans I don't think they would have been winless in conference. To me it's trying to quantify what the value a player is in wins to a team.
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Post by UltimateWarrior on Feb 24, 2014 8:27:36 GMT -5
USF picked to finish 6th pre-season, ends up with #2 seed in CL tourney, defeats #1 (only loss for Cardinal Stritch still), #2 and #4 teams in NAIA...and their coach doesn't get Coach of the Year?
Widener definitely deserves POY and everything else looks solid. Nice job coaches, except for the COY.
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Post by Axman on Feb 24, 2014 10:02:48 GMT -5
USF picked to finish 6th pre-season, ends up with #2 seed in CL tourney, defeats #1 (only loss for Cardinal Stritch still), #2 and #4 teams in NAIA...and their coach doesn't get Coach of the Year? Widener definitely deserves POY and everything else looks solid. Nice job coaches, except for the COY. I'm confused, USF beat Cardinal Stritch, which was impressive, but outside of the other CL teams I don't see any other currently ranked teams that USF beat. Help me out.
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Post by UltimateWarrior on Feb 24, 2014 10:55:52 GMT -5
None... IWU was #2 when USF hammered them at Luckey Arena and Bethel was #4 when they won in Mishawaka. Had four top 25 teams in non-conference schedule (plus 1 NAIA-DI in Saint Catherine's), too, including the win over #1 Cardinal Stritch.
IWU schedules very tough, too, but weren't they picked to win the league? My point was they were picked to finish 6th and finished 2nd in the toughest conference in the NAIA. Should have gotten some love for LaCross is all I was saying.
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Post by jr563400 on Feb 24, 2014 11:08:40 GMT -5
Ryan Benner is a 1st teamer, without out a doubt. The balance that Bethel has scoring is the reason he did not make the 1st group. I am not saying any one on the first teeam is not worthy, but I think there was 6 players on the 1st team last year if I am not mistaken. If Benner he would have taken as many shots as a (Hogan, I know he is a second teamer) he would have averaged 32 points per game. Kids sometimes get penalized for playing "team basketball". I sometimes wonder if the younger coaches don't freeze out the veteran coaches and their teams in the league! Just a thought and I hope I am wrong.
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Post by blue2blue on Feb 24, 2014 11:10:05 GMT -5
I might have gone with Platt of HU for Coach of year. It's a given that IWU would be at or near top. I didn't see HU being this strong.
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Post by Axman on Feb 24, 2014 11:18:45 GMT -5
IWU schedules very tough, too, but weren't they picked to win the league? My point was they were picked to finish 6th and finished 2nd in the toughest conference in the NAIA. Should have gotten some love for LaCross is all I was saying. I agree and understand your argument. I also think that Coach Platt could be thrown into the conversation as well. HU was picked to finish just ahead of USF at fifth. They didn't have the non-conference schedule of IWU or USF but he also didn't have the luxury of D1 transfers coming in having to rely heavily on a couple of Freshmen. I don't know how the voting went but Lacross and Platt may have split the votes of those not opting for the coach of the conference winner.
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Post by bbowildcats on Feb 24, 2014 11:26:21 GMT -5
It would be great to see these teams play (the all conference teams) a little round robin tourney...
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Post by The Pilot on Feb 24, 2014 12:15:49 GMT -5
I totally agree with LaCross being coach of the year. Strong argument with where USF was picked and where they finished. I know there have been years where Bethel was picked first and ended first and Lightfoot was not chosen for the COY. In regards to Hogans he should've at least been Defensive POY. Half a rebound fewer and 2x as many steals as Vandewater. Also, he should've been on the first team. You could even make a case for adding Benner to the first team and dropping Kohne and Evans to Second Team. I don't disagree with Weidner being the POY, I'm more trying to defend Hogans being left of the First Team. Weidner is the best player on the best team plus top 5 points, assists, ft% this year. And over 2000 career points and IWU's career assist leader. Comparison to numbers with Hogans and McCollum:
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Post by jr563400 on Feb 24, 2014 12:38:37 GMT -5
I totally agree with LaCross being coach of the year. Strong argument with where USF was picked and where they finished. I know there have been years where Bethel was picked first and ended first and Lightfoot was not chosen for the COY. In regards to Hogans he should've at least been Defensive POY. Half a rebound fewer and 2x as many steals as Vandewater. Also, he should've been on the first team. You could even make a case for adding Benner to the first team and dropping Kohne and Evans to Second Team. I don't disagree with Weidner being the POY, I'm more trying to defend Hogans being left of the First Team. Weidner is the best player on the best team plus top 5 points, assists, ft% this year. And over 2000 career points and IWU's career assist leader. Comparison to numbers with Hogans and McCollum: View AttachmentI agree that Weidner was the POY. Strongly disagree that Benner was not on the 1st team. Not sure who should come off of the 1st team if Benner was on it. (R.J or Evans) I don't think that Hogans was a 1st teamer. To many shots to support the PPG, weak from the 3pt line, his team did not win, many of those points came when the game was out of reach, (defenses do relax), and he did not elevate the players around him. (55 sssists to 74 to's) I do think he is a very good player and is deserving of the 2nd team.
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Post by Axman on Feb 24, 2014 13:38:01 GMT -5
Ryan Benner is a 1st teamer, without out a doubt. The balance that Bethel has scoring is the reason he did not make the 1st group. I am not saying any one on the first teeam is not worthy, but I think there was 6 players on the 1st team last year if I am not mistaken. If Benner he would have taken as many shots as a (Hogan, I know he is a second teamer) he would have averaged 32 points per game. Kids sometimes get penalized for playing "team basketball". I sometimes wonder if the younger coaches don't freeze out the veteran coaches and their teams in the league! Just a thought and I hope I am wrong. Strongly disagree that Benner was not on the 1st team. Not sure who should come off of the 1st team if Benner was on it. (R.J or Evans) If there were six on 1st team last year it was just because the 5th and 6th player garnered the same number of votes. It's not like the coaches sit there for 10 hours deliberating until they have the teams. Bethel was the only team with four players in the all conference and all defensive teams, supporting your "team basketball" theory. It could also be considered generous considering Bethel's 4th place finish.
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