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Post by cornfarmer on Feb 24, 2014 14:19:52 GMT -5
If the three teams play, I will take the second team!! The leading scorer of the league, the leading rebounder of the league and 2 players off the defensive team. Looks good to me.
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Post by jr563400 on Feb 24, 2014 14:40:45 GMT -5
Ryan Benner is a 1st teamer, without out a doubt. The balance that Bethel has scoring is the reason he did not make the 1st group. I am not saying any one on the first teeam is not worthy, but I think there was 6 players on the 1st team last year if I am not mistaken. If Benner he would have taken as many shots as a (Hogan, I know he is a second teamer) he would have averaged 32 points per game. Kids sometimes get penalized for playing "team basketball". I sometimes wonder if the younger coaches don't freeze out the veteran coaches and their teams in the league! Just a thought and I hope I am wrong. Strongly disagree that Benner was not on the 1st team. Not sure who should come off of the 1st team if Benner was on it. (R.J or Evans) If there were six on 1st team last year it was just because the 5th and 6th player garnered the same number of votes. It's not like the coaches sit there for 10 hours deliberating until they have the teams. Bethel was the only team with four players in the all conference and all defensive teams, supporting your "team basketball" theory. It could also be considered generous considering Bethel's 4th place finish. You have a valid point concerning the 4 players being on the various teams. I guess the COY thing last year still brings that theory into question, along with past COY snubs when Bethel was ranked #1 and finished #1 in conference much like IWU this past season. Overall as a Pilot's fan I am fine with the selections other than Benner. I thought he could have been a legit POY nominee if Bethel had picked up a couple of more wins.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Feb 24, 2014 16:43:22 GMT -5
I agree with many of you that the Saint Francis coach could have been a viable candidate for Coach of the Year accolades based on their preseason selection by the same coaches who vote on the COY award. But I also think its important to remember that Indiana Wesleyan won the regular season title by TWO whole games including going 13-1 in the league after a 2-2 start.
When you factor that sort of dominance coupled with the fact that IWU just clinched their sixth straight conference championship and seventh in eight years I think the selection of Greg Tonagel is more than justified. Plus, as many of you know, these type of votes are somewhat a popularity contest and even though I have limited knowledge of the coaching relationships in the league I would venture a guess that Greg Tonagel is both pretty well liked and respected amongst the other league coaches.
Congrats to all the honorees for their accomplishments.
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Post by Axman on Feb 24, 2014 17:05:07 GMT -5
I personally think IWU had an unfair advantage in the voting. Their use of Glamour Shots as their team photographer obviously had a psychological effect on the coaches as they cast their votes...
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Post by The Pilot on Feb 25, 2014 9:30:35 GMT -5
Just some more numbers to look at. I'm thinking Hogans had to take more shots because he has less to work with around him, unlike Weidner. POY.doc (27.5 KB)
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Post by blue2blue on Feb 25, 2014 10:10:58 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd want the leading scorer (as a general rule) on my team. I think of great scorers over the years, Pistol Pete Maravich, Bernard King, otis Birdsong, Calvin Murphy, numerous others who scored lots of points but their teams didn't advance very far. I suspect the same would be true for the NAIA as for NCAA. NBA is a whole other story, Jordan, Bird, Jabbar,etc. were big scorers but their teams won.
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Post by rubalamp on Feb 25, 2014 11:17:52 GMT -5
How is Merryman so easily dismissed as POY? He has better stats across the board, he was the leader of a team picked to finish in the bottom half of the conference and here they are tied for second...The same reason you think USF or HU's coach should be COY, should be considered for POY...
The guy has been a beast all season and for his entire career. He also was the Sportscenter top play...
I think this IWU bias is a huge smack in the face to the rest of the conference.
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Post by cornfarmer on Feb 25, 2014 11:34:30 GMT -5
Seems to be a lot of questions this year about the voting!! Mine is why is there a newcomer team? Seems to me like it should be a freshmen team. Putting a fifth year player on the same level as a first year freshmen is silly. Congrats to the young man from Huntington for making that team. Many of the other members were transfers that had at least 1 year of college playing under their belt. Seems silly to me!
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Post by The Pilot on Feb 25, 2014 13:17:46 GMT -5
--I have to agree with rub on his last point about the IWU bias. When was the last time that a team had the POY, COY, and Defensive POY, and the Newcomer of the Year??
--I also agree with farmer that there should be a Freshmen Team. I think that is what the Newcomer Team is intended to be, but as a conference we are getting a lot of guys transferring in. This may be a change made for next year.
--I think it also says a lot for our conference that a D1 transfer, in Logan Irwin, doesn't even make the Third Team. A lot of people don't realize the level of play of the CL and how tough our guys really are.
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Post by UltimateWarrior on Feb 25, 2014 13:38:32 GMT -5
How is Merryman so easily dismissed as POY? He has better stats across the board, he was the leader of a team picked to finish in the bottom half of the conference and here they are tied for second...The same reason you think USF or HU's coach should be COY, should be considered for POY... The guy has been a beast all season and for his entire career. He also was the Sportscenter top play... I think this IWU bias is a huge smack in the face to the rest of the conference. Absolutely AGREE! Top 3 POY for me would have been Merryman, Weidner and Kohne. All 3 were NAIA All-Americans last year, did nothing but step up this year and all three led their teams to the top of the conference. Honestly, any of those three would have worked for me. Platt and LaCross are the two best coaches this season in the conference.
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Post by Axman on Feb 25, 2014 14:28:11 GMT -5
I'd like to think that Weidner and Merryman will be 1st Team All-Americans. Don't know about Kohne as I'm assuming Evans would be next in line based on CL voting.
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Post by jbh on Feb 25, 2014 14:50:19 GMT -5
Seems to be a lot of questions this year about the voting!! Mine is why is there a newcomer team? Seems to me like it should be a freshmen team. Putting a fifth year player on the same level as a first year freshmen is silly. Congrats to the young man from Huntington for making that team. Many of the other members were transfers that had at least 1 year of college playing under their belt. Seems silly to me! AGREE!!!!!!!!
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Post by jbh on Feb 25, 2014 14:51:10 GMT -5
How is Merryman so easily dismissed as POY? He has better stats across the board, he was the leader of a team picked to finish in the bottom half of the conference and here they are tied for second...The same reason you think USF or HU's coach should be COY, should be considered for POY... The guy has been a beast all season and for his entire career. He also was the Sportscenter top play... I think this IWU bias is a huge smack in the face to the rest of the conference. Absolutely AGREE! Top 3 POY for me would have been Merryman, Weidner and Kohne. All 3 were NAIA All-Americans last year, did nothing but step up this year and all three led their teams to the top of the conference. Honestly, any of those three would have worked for me. Platt and LaCross are the two best coaches this season in the conference. AGREE!!!!
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Post by tubballfan on Feb 25, 2014 14:59:52 GMT -5
Weidner not only was one of the top scorers for IWU, he also broke the IWU assists record. He was an all around great player. I don't think there is too much of an IWU bias... and I'm a Taylor fan, if anyone should complain about an IWU bias it should be me Is there some, maybe, but they are on an 8 game winning streak in conference, and is playing the best ball right now, an the other coaches are aware of it.
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Post by The Pilot on Feb 25, 2014 15:11:49 GMT -5
Taylor 1 IWU Wildcat 0
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