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Post by FormerMCCer on Dec 18, 2008 11:19:51 GMT -5
I know this was hinted at a couple of weeks ago, but I just heard that the Presidents of several NAIA schools in Ohio have voted to begin the move to the NCAA DII level. I believe those schools included Ohio Dominican, Malone, Cedarville, and Mount Vernon Nazarene. I think there are a couple of others. They would remain in the NAIA for the next two of years as the provisional process moves forward, but would form their own NCAA DII conference at that time.
This move will be a significant blow to the NAIA.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 11:25:07 GMT -5
There is a coach from one of those programs on this message board. Perhaps we can get him to shed some light on this.
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Post by Loucks on Dec 18, 2008 12:20:30 GMT -5
When does the MCC make that move as well? It looks like the NAIA D2 is quickly becoming obsolete.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 12:24:29 GMT -5
I think the MCC should be proactive......instead of reactive.
It appears that NAIA D2 is going the way of the State School Satellite Campuses.
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Post by foresterpride on Dec 18, 2008 14:13:49 GMT -5
If the MCC moves to NCAA, I've been told that HU will most likely go DIII. Likely the rest will as well, or the MCC will break up.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 14:16:20 GMT -5
D3 would be an interesting move.
For 1...I could formerly take over the Pilots on Whatifsports.com dynasty hoops league (Right now I'm coaching Chowan University in NC).
2) There are a number of d3 schools within reach that could make for some very awesome rivalries (Anderson, Franklin, Etc)
3) How do scholarships work in D3? I fear that we would lose a lot of great players the MCC seems to get each year.
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Post by Loucks on Dec 18, 2008 14:17:14 GMT -5
I hope Bethel doesn't go D3. I think it's inferior basketball to where we're at today. I don't think there's a D3 school in Indiana that could beat Bethel and some of the other MCC schools this year.
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Post by Loucks on Dec 18, 2008 14:18:49 GMT -5
There are no athletic scholarships in D3. Granted, you can hide/mask financial aid so students can attend for cheap/free but it becomes much more difficult and there are usually headier academic standards (GoPilots can confirm or deny these ideas of mine).
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 14:27:20 GMT -5
I sent an email to someone within the athletic department at Bethel to get their feedback on any NAIAD2 disbanding.....I'm curious to see what I get back.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 14:43:48 GMT -5
Per a source (seperate from the above mentioned source): Notre Dame started the movement.
Ohio Dominican has already been accepted in NCAA D2.......and is holding out for a spot in the GLIAC....they will not be joining the other Ohio teams.
A meeting is taking place next week for a show of hands as to who wants in and who doesn't.
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Post by labordbd on Dec 18, 2008 14:47:18 GMT -5
Feller, what world are you in on Whatifsports? I am the head coach of Depauw in the Rupp world...
I would agree that NAIA basketball is better than DIII basketball! My buddy played golf at a DIII school(Tri-state). He wasn't the brightest bulb in box, and he got $8,000 in academic scholarship a year! So they basically give more academic scholarship money to make up for the lack up athletic money. I don't think it would be a good move for the MCC to DIII, if anything, I think they move up o NAIA DI or go NCAA DII. but with NCAA DII, that takes a tremendous amount money and a large boost in athletic departments. There is a lot more staff required in NCAA DI and NCAA DII athletic departments.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 14:53:24 GMT -5
I'm at Chowan in the "Naismith" World.
This is my first go at it....I brought a few Indiana kids out to North Carolina to start the building of my program.
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Post by labordbd on Dec 18, 2008 15:00:03 GMT -5
ya, this is my first go at it as well, so we will see how the first season goes.
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Post by labordbd on Dec 18, 2008 15:14:15 GMT -5
Here are the general requirements from the NCAA website for becoming a NCAA DII member.
1. Sports-Sponsorship requirements: (a) Must sponsor at least five sports for men and five sports for women or four sports for men and six for women. (b) Must have at least two team sports in each gender. (20.10.3) (c) Must meet minimum contests/participant requirements for a sport to count. (20.10.3.5) 2. Must meet three-season requirement in each gender (i.e. must have at least one men’s team and one women’s team competing in the fall, winter and spring). (20.10.4.1) 3. Must have eligibility certification procedures approved by chief executive officer. (3.2.4.3) 4. Must utilize the NCAA Eligibility Center for certifying freshman student-athletes prior to receiving financial aid, practice and competition during the first year and thereafter of the provisional and reclassifying process. (14.3.1) 5. Must publish progress towards degree requirements. (3.2.4.12) 6. Must establish policy concerning missed class time. (3.2.4.13) 7. Must meet composition requirements for an Athletics Board if one exists. (6.1.2.1) 8. Must designate a Faculty Athletics Representative. (6.1.3) 9. Must establish a Student-Athlete Advisory Committee. (6.1.4) 10. Must have annual athletics budget approved by chief executive officer (or designee). (6.2.2) 11. Must have conducted by an outside agency, a financial audit of athletics revenues and expenditures at least once every three years. (6.2.3.1) 12. Must conduct an institutional self-study of the intercollegiate athletics program at least once every five years. (6.3.1) 13. A member of Division II shall annually provided financial assistance that equals one of the following: (a) A minimum of 50 percent of the maximum allowable equivalencies in four separate sports, at least two of which must be women's sports; (b) A minimum of 20 total full equivalency grants with at least 10 total full equivalency grants in women's sports; or (c) A minimum total expenditure of $250,000 in athletically related financial aid with at least $125,000 in women's sports. (20.10.1.2) 14. Must certify insurance coverage for medical expenses resulting from athletically related injuries sustained by student-athletes. (3.2.4.9)
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 15:24:36 GMT -5
Seems like #13 would be the kicker for our MCC programs.
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