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Post by Darth Tater on Dec 18, 2008 15:26:53 GMT -5
I don't believe IWU would ever go DIII, but I have nothing to back that with.
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Post by labordbd on Dec 18, 2008 15:35:39 GMT -5
I think it would be really stupid for any MCC school to go to DIII...
Number 13 is the kicker I feel like. $250,000 in athletic financial aid is a lot for small schools!
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Post by FormerMCCer on Dec 18, 2008 16:02:26 GMT -5
I think it would be really stupid for any MCC school to go to DIII... Number 13 is the kicker I feel like. $250,000 in athletic financial aid is a lot for small schools! While I don't think some of the schools in the MCC could handle all the requirements to go to NCAA DII, the $250,000 would be easy. I guarantee every MCC school gives more than $250,000 in athletic scholarships right now. That's only about 10 full scholarships for an entire athletic program.
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Post by knaveljm on Dec 18, 2008 16:46:49 GMT -5
Agreed with FormerMCCer. Most MCC schools are probably giving $250,000 in financial aid between men's and women's basketball alone. As was stated, that's about 10 full scholarships, or 5 for men's and 5 for women's. I think the bigger issue is the infrastructure of athletic departments within the MCC. Once you go to NCAA Div. II, you almost have to have a full-time compliance officer, plus a number of other positions that are currently part-time at the NAIA level. It's a whole different structure within the athletic department.
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Post by knaveljm on Dec 18, 2008 16:50:24 GMT -5
And the shift for the Ohio schools to Div. II started before Ohio Dominican as well. Tiffin's transition was the first one (following Ashland/Findlay about a decade ago), followed by Urbana. Lake Erie College made the jump from no real athletic department to Division II about a year ahead of Urbana. All three of those schools came before Ohio Dominican, although the Ohio Dominican move may have been the final straw towards the rest of these Ohio schools making the jump.
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 16:52:36 GMT -5
This would mean Bethel could finally use me in the Athletic Department full time. I could quit chasing the money and live out the rest of my days happy. haha
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Post by Loucks on Dec 18, 2008 17:40:44 GMT -5
What is "I disagreeistance"?
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Post by Kyle Feller on Dec 18, 2008 17:42:39 GMT -5
I have no idea.......hmmmm it should've been..........me.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Dec 20, 2008 9:40:45 GMT -5
I think Division III would make some sense for a number of MCC schools but not all. Manchester, Franklin, Anderson, etc. these are all Division III programs in the area of the MCC that they could hook up with. Grace, Goshen, Marian come to mind most specifically in my opinion.
I don't see this happening in the MCC right now though because its such a strong conference. Although the same could have been said about the Ohio schools. One thing to consider though, is that I believe the NCAA has put a lock on membership at the Division I and III levels respectively so Division II is the only option for schools wanting to make the jump right now I believe.
I wish IWU, Bethel, and Saint Francis would all go Division II together but it just doesn't make sense at this point for a number of reasons. Most of all being the economic issues surrounding such a monumental move at this point in time where Private Education is in a state of flux.
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Post by knaveljm on Dec 20, 2008 12:15:26 GMT -5
In my opinion, the MCC team that makes the most sense in going to Division II is Marian. Large market so they are attractive to conferences looking for more media attention. More lenient admission standards than many MCC schools (not necessarily from an academic standpoint, but more so from a private, Christian school ideal) allowing them to recruit a larger base of athletes. Finally, and maybe most importantly, they have football -- a VERY attractive thing for Division II.
St. Francis would be No. 2 on my attractiveness list for DII from the MCC because of the strong football and a larger media market than schools like Goshen, Grace, etc.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Mar 16, 2009 17:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by ach22 on Mar 16, 2009 18:25:57 GMT -5
Bethel will not go NCAA DIII, that would definitely be a step backwards. I think the MCC will only get stronger in the future. If it were to fall apart, there would probably be a new conference developed with either the WHAC and/or the Chicagoland. Add a team, get 2 automatics, then lose IWU to DII and go back to one... that's probably a pretty good guess.
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Post by Darth Tater on Mar 24, 2009 10:11:44 GMT -5
I have heard that Cedarville, Mt. Vernon, Walsh, Malone and Notre Dame have all officially applied for NCAA DII membership with Rio Grande joining the MSC and Shawnee St. going to either the MSC or KIAC. Below is a link to the Cedarville release. Northwestern Ohio is in trouble as the rest of the AMC is on the other side of the state or NY. Maybe a new WHAC member? yellowjackets.cedarville.edu/news/2009/3/23/GEN_0323090819.aspx?path=gen
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Post by foresterpride on Mar 24, 2009 10:58:49 GMT -5
Lourdes (2000 students) in Toledo has announced that they will be starting athletics next year or the year after. My guess is the WHAC brings in Marygrove, NWOH, Lourdes and maybe Rochester College (USCAA). While AQ and Cornerstone form a Christian College Conference with applicable Chicagoland members.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Mar 24, 2009 10:59:25 GMT -5
That would make very good sense for Northwestern Ohio to join the WHAC other than the conference name excluding them. Maybe Indiana Tech could join the MCC and then they could change the WHAC to the WBAC (Wolverine-Buckeye Athletic Conference) although that might cause some serious problems all together. hahaha.
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