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Post by tamrik on Feb 26, 2014 21:03:33 GMT -5
Interesting result.
USF and HU both lose - shouldn't really affect either of them.
Grace plays Spring Arbor at home and Bethel goes to IWU - though at this point, the result probably won't matter as far as Branson is concerned.
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Post by tamrik on Feb 26, 2014 21:05:59 GMT -5
dang it, i got two of these on here - use this one. how do i delete the other one?
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Post by blue2blue on Feb 26, 2014 21:27:19 GMT -5
Sure would not have guessed this result.
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Post by tamrik on Feb 26, 2014 21:45:40 GMT -5
This result means that either Grace or Spring Arbor will be playing Tuesday for a trip to Branson. (if either Grace or SAU wins Tuesday, it takes away one of the at-larges) If IWU wins it all, does the tournament runner-up get the bid or does the league use some other method? I suspect the answer is buried on the league site, and I also suspect that one of you knows the answer off the top of their head.
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Post by Axman on Feb 26, 2014 22:09:33 GMT -5
This result means that either Grace or Spring Arbor will be playing Tuesday for a trip to Branson. (if either Grace or SAU wins Tuesday, it takes away one of the at-larges) If IWU wins it all, does the tournament runner-up get the bid or does the league use some other method? I suspect the answer is buried on the league site, and I also suspect that one of you knows the answer off the top of their head. The 2nd place regular season finisher, #2 seed, will receive the 2nd automatic bid to the NAIA National Championship in the event that the regular season champions are the same as the tournament champions.
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Post by blue2blue on Feb 26, 2014 22:13:25 GMT -5
IWU, HU and USF are in I assume. If, as mentioned above, Grace or Spring Arbor advance to the final, while IWU beats BC, does that eliminate Bethel from Branson.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 22:34:08 GMT -5
First - I don't think your statement about the second automatic berth is correct. I believe the second automatic berth goes to the tournament runner up if the regular season winner (i.e., IWU) wins the conference tournament as well. So if Bethel upsets IWU and beats the SAU/Grace winner, then Bethel would get the second automatic. But if IWU beats Bethel, then either SAU or Grace would get the second at large, regardless of the IWU vs. SAU/Grace result.
Axman, if I'm wrong, feel free to let me know. But the last information I had was that the second automatic goes to the tournament runner up if the regular season winner wins both.
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Post by naiabball24 on Feb 26, 2014 22:48:07 GMT -5
Listening to one of the broadcasts my impression is that if IWU wins it is the regular season #2 that goes i.e. USF as the second automatic bid not Grace/SAU if they lose to IWU. It is different in other conferences where the runner-up to the #1 seed gets the 2nd bid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 23:09:08 GMT -5
I stand corrected on what I posted earlier. Here is the wording from the procedures manual for the Crossroads League:
"NAIA Postseason Qualification – The winner of the Crossroads League regular season (No. 1 seed in the tournament) and the winner of the Crossroads League Tournament will receive automatic bids to the NAIA Division II National Championship. The 2nd place regular season finisher, #2 seed, will receive the 2nd automatic bid to the NAIA National Championship in the event that the regular season champions are the same as the tournament champions."
This means that if IWU wins the CL tournament, Saint Francis (who owns the tiebreaker over Huntington) would get the second automatic berth. There's also no doubt in my mind that Bethel and Huntington would then get at large berths. I don't see Marian, Spring Arbor, or Grace being rated high enough to get at larges, though.
If Bethel beats IWU, and beats the Grace/SAU winner, I still think the CL sends IWU and Bethel (with automatics) and Saint Francis and Huntington with at larges. Marian would still be on the outside looking in, in my opinion. This is especially true, since #8 Midland lost in the quarterfinal of the of the GPAC tournament to Dakota Wesleyan. Still, getting four teams into Branson is pretty impressive.
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Post by mikey on Feb 26, 2014 23:20:35 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
You had me intrigued as to how the second automatic bid is determined assuming that IWU were to win the conference tournament. So I called my brother who coaches in the league. He informed me that as recently as last year the conference tournament runner-up would earn the 2nd automatic but starting this year that bid would go to the #2 in the final conference rating. Therefore Grace can only make it to Branson by winning the tournament. Dangit, I was hoping Grace was in a better position to make it to Branson. So IF Grace does not win the tournament they are headed to the NCCAA.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 0:10:10 GMT -5
Gentlemen, You had me intrigued as to how the second automatic bid is determined assuming that IWU were to win the conference tournament. So I called my brother who coaches in the league. He informed me that as recently as last year the conference tournament runner-up would earn the 2nd automatic but starting this year that bid would go to the #2 in the final conference rating. Therefore Grace can only make it to Branson by winning the tournament. Dangit, I was hoping Grace was in a better position to make it to Branson. So IF Grace does not win the tournament they are headed to the NCCAA. Most NAIA D2 conferences that have two automatic berths award the second automatic berth to the tournament runner up if the conference regular season champion also wins the conference tournament. I've always preferred the way that the CL now does it - I think that the regular season body of work that goes into finishing second in the conference in the regular season says a lot more for a team than the luck of the draw (you have to be 2nd, 3rd, 6th or 7th in order to meet the regular season champion in the conference tournament finals) and an upset or two. I know that's small consolation for Spring Arbor and Grace right now, but I think in the bigger picture it's a more accurate representation of what you've accomplished during the season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 0:12:53 GMT -5
Also, #22 and #2 CCC seed Concordia (Oregon) was upset in their quarterfinal game vs. Oregon Tech 76-63. That also will likely eat up another at large unless Concordia drops down below about #30 or so.
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Post by naiabball24 on Feb 27, 2014 0:31:51 GMT -5
Southern Oregon also lost in the Cascade, they were on the bubble but their bubble may have popped.
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Post by Axman on Feb 27, 2014 7:08:09 GMT -5
First - I don't think your statement about the second automatic berth is correct. I believe the second automatic berth goes to the tournament runner up if the regular season winner (i.e., IWU) wins the conference tournament as well. So if Bethel upsets IWU and beats the SAU/Grace winner, then Bethel would get the second automatic. But if IWU beats Bethel, then either SAU or Grace would get the second at large, regardless of the IWU vs. SAU/Grace result. Axman, if I'm wrong, feel free to let me know. But the last information I had was that the second automatic goes to the tournament runner up if the regular season winner wins both. I should have footnoted my statement. It is a direct quote from the CL procedures manual. "The 2nd place regular season finisher, #2 seed, will receive the 2nd automatic bid to the NAIA National Championship in the event that the regular season champions are the same as the tournament champions."
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