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Post by huisrealgood on Jun 11, 2012 19:49:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 20:43:33 GMT -5
I saw a program on The Dream Team a few weeks ago. An interesting fact they mentioned is that Coach Chuck Daly never called a single time out during any of their games in the Olympics.
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Post by rubalamp on Jun 12, 2012 11:31:07 GMT -5
With both teams in their primes, do you think the modern game players could beat those guys.
I know how we have made these guys into legends, and for good reason,
But think about how much stronger LeBron is than anyone else who has played SF...
I loved the original dream team, but I wish we could see them play A healthy version of what would be this year's olympic team...(if injuries weren't involved)
(Lebron, Wade, Durant, Howard, Anthony, Paul, Love, D-Will, etc.)
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Post by cowboy on Jun 12, 2012 11:56:19 GMT -5
on athletic ability alone I'd take the new guys but basketball IQ and heart and all the intangibles go with the Dream Team--I would root for the Dream Team and might even pick them to win
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Post by Kyle Feller on Jun 12, 2012 12:38:38 GMT -5
Lebron might be stronger than anybody on the 1992 Dream Team.........but no way is he tougher mentally or in a lot cases physically. If he was flopping around the court with Larry or Magic like he does today...they would slap the piss out of him.
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Post by huisrealgood on Jun 12, 2012 16:53:18 GMT -5
With both teams in their primes, do you think the modern game players could beat those guys. I know how we have made these guys into legends, and for good reason, But think about how much stronger LeBron is than anyone else who has played SF... I loved the original dream team, but I wish we could see them play A healthy version of what would be this year's olympic team...(if injuries weren't involved) (Lebron, Wade, Durant, Howard, Anthony, Paul, Love, D-Will, etc.) '92 Team wins hands down. Who are you putting down-low for the current team? Howard? You think he's going to be able to take the 1-2 punch of Ewing and Robinson? If Olajuwon would have had his residency stuff figured out, the '92 team would have been even tougher to match down low. Kobe's great, but he still wasn't the cold-blooded killer that Jordan was in his prime (aka '92). Lebron hasn't faced a defender like Pippen in this age. That team was just sick with all of the talent they had at each position... C: Ewing/Robinson PF: Barkley/Malone SF: Bird/Pippen SG: Jordan/Drexler PG: Johnson/Stockton Throw in a situational shooter like Mullin and 5 fouls of Laettner and you've got a team that better than... C: Chandler/Anthony Davis PF: Griffin/Love/Bosh SF: James/Anthony SG: Durant/Wade/Bryant PG: Paul/Williams Even if you have Rose & Howard who are injured... I think it's over-populated with 2's and 3's with no good size that would get torn apart by a more well-rounded '92 team that had many more lock-down defenders. |
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Post by rubalamp on Jun 13, 2012 10:20:18 GMT -5
I agree that LeBron is weak at clutch, as are most of these new brand of NBA stars. but I think Howard could match up against Ewing...But as a Pacer fan, I always thought Smits put Ewing in his place.
I don't know...Kobe and Jordan could be a bit more comparable, Jordan got a lot of assistance from the refs, just ask Byron Russell...
I would love to watch it. I think the guys like Bird and Magic are the ones that really above the new guys. They played with so much heart and soul, and Jordan too. I think Kobe is the only guy that has proven that of today's NBA all Stars. I would take a Tim Duncan on the new team too, even though he is about 5 years past his prime. His resurgence this year has been special. Plus you left off Howard, over Griffin or Bosh probably. Davis is better than Laettner by a mile. Stockton's lack of athleticism would be a bit more suspect I think in this match up too.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Jun 13, 2012 12:01:27 GMT -5
Just remember that Bird and Magic were well past their prime when the 92' games rolled around. If you took them in their prime and added today's players in their prime I think it would be a heck of a matchup.
Really only Jordan, Pippin and Barkley were in their prime on this team plus maybe Stockton and Malone however I would argue that they would not match up well against today's players.
A starting five of Howard, Duncan (In his prime), Durant, Lebron and Rose would be awfully tough to beat in my opinion.
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Post by cowboy on Jun 13, 2012 12:55:24 GMT -5
two words give the DT an edge: Christian and Laettner
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Post by rubalamp on Jun 13, 2012 13:52:05 GMT -5
They might as well have had Cherokee Parks...both did about the same in the NBA...
And Wesley, I thought of that as I started my initial post about this...As if it isn't already hard enough to make comparisons.
Certainly, I understand that the 92 team was something special. Just curious of a match up game. Or also...How do you think the 2012 version of the NBA team would do against the 92 world competition...think of the difference in ability between the dream team and the rest of the world...and then add even more athleticism and quickness...Could this team have dominated even more? Is that a different look at the same question?
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Post by huisrealgood on Jun 13, 2012 14:45:00 GMT -5
The reason I left Howard off (as stated in my post) is that he's injured. Much the same reason why Olajuwon's residency issues kept him off the '92 team. If injuries & residency issues have not merit than you add one dominant big to each team... still advantage '92.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Jun 13, 2012 15:02:53 GMT -5
This is a fun argument to have, mostly because we all know there is no way to get a clear-cut answer. My issue with the 92' team versus today's stars are matchups. I honestly can't think of who would guard Durant and/or Lebron. Pippin could have probably matched up with Lebron pretty well but what forward could match Durant's combination of size (nearly 7'0"), outside/inside combination and length. Barkley would have been too short. Malone, Ewing and Robinson all wouldn't be able to step out on the perimeter. I don't think Bird had either the speed or length to hang with him. I think measuring heroes of our past by immeseaurables like heart, mental toughness, will to win, etc. is an easy mistake. They became our child-hood heroes (many of us) because we were kids and they became easy to look up to. These guys had their short-comings as players both in skill sets and performances. I'd still probably take the 92' Dream Team however it would be a tough matchup. Non-Dream Teamers roster off the top of my head would probably look like this: C- O'Neil, Howard PF- Duncan, Anthony SF- James, Durant, Hill SG- Bryant, Wade PG- Paul, Nash, Williams My "Isiah Thomas" of the Current squad would probably be Carmelo Anthony. I'm not sure he would fit my team concept.  |
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Post by huisrealgood on Jun 13, 2012 15:11:31 GMT -5
One thing we need to specify is if we're talking about things as they currently are or guys in their prime. Because if we're talking about things currently, I doubt a 40 year-old, creaky-kneed, retired Shaq is on the roster. Also Duncan isn't on the current roster and obviously neither is Hill. Also Nash isn't even American (Canadian/South African).
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Post by rubalamp on Jun 14, 2012 12:39:54 GMT -5
HIRG, I think you feel free to talk about it either way...It's all fun speculation anyway.
Wesley, I have had the same issue with Anthony...any time I watch him play for the Nuggets or Knicks I always hate the way he seems to play, but I remember in the last US team he played on, he was strangely one of my favorites. Maybe he changes his game more than most to accomodate the stronger team concept.
I probably wouldn't consider O'Neal for the 2012 roster, since he is 2 years retired now for sure. I was ignoring injuries, so sticking with Howard.
I think the 92 team has better big men...as the position has pretty much died in the NBA now. Bynum would probably be considered, if he grew up as a person.
C- Howard, Bynum, Davis (one college guy)
PF- Love, Griffin
SF- Durant, LeBron
SG- Kobe, Wade
PG- Paul, Williams
Last spot could go to Anthony, Rose, or Bosh...Arguments could be made for either...Duncan would be a shoe in, if you got him as his 7 year ago self.
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Post by WesleyTheWildcat on Jun 14, 2012 13:09:47 GMT -5
I was saying guys in their prime, which I realize is an unfair comparison but just part of my point. I'm also grouping guys according to pre-Dream Team era and post-Dream Team era. Obviously I wouldn't want Shaq, Grant Hill or Duncan as part of a current Olympic team other than for leadership (Duncan) and hilarious press conference banter (O'Neil). I also forgot D. Rose on my current team. He would certainly make my roster. I'll take him over Nash since I forgot about his Canadien heritage. |
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