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Post by maxpower on Apr 1, 2009 8:37:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice Rub, my life is now complete - how dare I stay on topic in a thread and respond to a point in it - a skill that you have not yet mastered.
Ron was insinuating that IWU's recent men's basketball success was due to an increase in scholarships - I made a counterpoint that many schools in the MCC give at least as much, if not more (documented in the Huntington case) scholarship money than IWU does. If Bethel men's basketball (of which I am no apologist) has gone over the scholarship limit, please feel free to post a link and/or any proof you have.
Does IWU have an advantage with their facilities and such? Of course - but that is not the only reason they are successful. Their women's sports are extremely successful because they have a great vision of Title IX and are one of the few athletic departments in the MCC that does not tier sports.
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Post by cowboy on Apr 1, 2009 8:57:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice Rub, my life is now complete - how dare I stay on topic in a thread and respond to a point in it - a skill that you have not yet mastered. Ron was insinuating that IWU's recent men's basketball success was due to an increase in scholarships - I made a counterpoint that many schools in the MCC give at least as much, if not more (documented in the Huntington case) scholarship money than IWU does. If Bethel men's basketball (of which I am no apologist) has gone over the scholarship limit, please feel free to post a link and/or any proof you have. Does IWU have an advantage with their facilities and such? Of course - but that is not the only reason they are successful. Their women's sports are extremely successful because they have a great vision of Title IX and are one of the few athletic departments in the MCC that does not tier sports. any trouble Bethel was ever in is ancient history--I'll echo the HU apologists and tell all of us to quit living in the 90s Bethel, too, has invested wisely in women's athletics--we compete well against IWU's women's teams--I miss the old days when the IWU/BC men's basketball game was a breather for the Pilots (and at the same time, the rivalry now is more exciting) |
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Post by rubalamp on Apr 1, 2009 9:24:09 GMT -5
max, it was unnecessary to bring up. yet, you did....and you easily could have used Bethel as the example.
Stay on topic.
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Post by maxpower on Apr 1, 2009 10:04:32 GMT -5
Rub - Ron inserted Huntington coach Steve Platt and his lack of money for recruiting into the conversation - thus the bringing up of the fact of Huntington's scholarship status....with your track record of changing the subject until it fits your side of the conversation, you obviously don't know what staying ON subject means.
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Post by cowboy on Apr 1, 2009 10:05:01 GMT -5
max, it was unnecessary to bring up. yet, you did....and you easily could have used Bethel as the example. Stay on topic. easily is an interesting word choice |
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Post by rubalamp on Apr 1, 2009 14:07:48 GMT -5
Max,
You are so cute at this age...
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Post by maxpower on Apr 1, 2009 14:33:19 GMT -5
Back to the personal insults again when proven wrong....at least we can say you are consistent.
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Post by rubalamp on Apr 1, 2009 16:38:11 GMT -5
Ha ha...
No, I had typed a long post that nothing about the post you were "commenting" on dealt with going over...it was a vague reference. You are clueless, as you always have been. HU went over (as stated million times before) when a gpa shifted too low, it was an oversite (and self-reported)...It didn't change the amount of money HU was giving out.
I have been most impressed by your lack of "personal insults"...
Stay classy Max!
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Post by tubballfan on Apr 1, 2009 16:49:30 GMT -5
of all the people on this board that change the subject you pick out Rub??? Cmon man, there's definitely worse, and Rub's point wasn't completely off topic either...
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Post by rubalamp on Apr 1, 2009 19:51:48 GMT -5
Furthermore, Max...you have missed the nuance of what everyone is saying...
IWU is not giving any more scholarships...we understand the limits we all play within. The difference, most coaches have to fundraise (like HU) to be able to give out the full amount available (that may not be necessary at IWU), and that they have more resources for things such as travel (playing games in more "exotic places" like say, hey, CA?) and they have the best and newest facilities. Ok, now you can get back to staying on topic...if you even understand the topic.
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Post by cowboy on Apr 1, 2009 21:16:57 GMT -5
Wow, I agree with Rubalamp. IWU has advantages that other schools would love to have; they are not cheating, just blessed.
We've said the same thing several times in this thread
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Post by maxpower on Apr 1, 2009 21:28:52 GMT -5
Agreed....Ron insinuated their recent success was due to and increase in money, and that in particular, Platt and Lightfoot would have won multiple nc's withh those resources. I am certainly not taking sides, but just wanted to point out that there are several schools in the MCC that give the same, and in some cases, more money. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings Rub, because I know that it always has to be someone, or some other program or athletic department, that has it better off that must be the bad guy, no matter what the truth is....
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Post by bbowildcats on Apr 1, 2009 23:14:10 GMT -5
I do agree we do have some of the best facilities and more resources than any other MCC school. Mostly b/c the giving of the Alumni and other boosters! Also we do have the Wesleyan church backing the school as well and that helps out as well!
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Post by formerlancer on Apr 1, 2009 23:28:17 GMT -5
does IWU have any sort of lifestyle covenant? or how strict are they on rules?
if they are more relaxed than other MCC schools this could lead to happier alumni, and happy alumni give more money.
right or wrong, some of the more conserative schools in the MCC could anger future alumni (current students) by continuing in age old traditions that don't relate to students today. but they could anger current alumni by shifting away from the traditional values that drew them to the school.
of course it doesn't hurt that IWU has that huge adult education program which is just a cash cow. Grace is starting one, but it will take years to get to the level that IWU is at.
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Post by formerlancer on Apr 1, 2009 23:33:25 GMT -5
i'm not sure how it is at other schools, but i know that Grace has fairly strict rules on living off campus. there isn't necessarily anything wrong with that, but Grace has been growing pretty quick and there isn't much, if any capacity on campus. because of this shortages of rooms available (as well as the fact that Grace doesn't go into debt to build new buildings, which is a good thing), many qualified students are turned away.
i've always thought that it would make sense to open up the rules for students living off campus so that the school can still make money off of their tuition while still being maxed out on campus.
i would imagine that other schools have similar issues and that could be a very serious issue in generating revenue for the school.
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